Well those jackets were real as far as i know but without prove of this fact i choose to remove them from ebay, and yes the lyle jumpers were seconds but unless you yourselfs have delt with lyle & scott remembering that each jumper retails at 75 pound for one to be classed as a second its just a sizing issue or stitching issue one 2 pulls or less, or just a label issue as in wrong size attached, i had been sold 68 jumpers and seven of those were not good enough to sell as new condition those were kept back an passed onto friends family and myself, you will find any lyle and scott jumper on ebay under 50 pound is a second or even a fake, and also you will find 90% of sellers dont list as either one, that is why i wrote if you were not happy with them return for a full refund, i had 6 items back in total from all sold 4 due to sizing issues and 2 just not happy with them. the 3 bad feeback left for those were as follows 1, asked for refund 26 days after i sent the item out first class, and in comunication told me he had washed the item 3 times and worn it. 2. 13 days after sale, asked for refund as it had a fault he had worn twice and also washed it, i checked every item before sending thats how i found the faulty items before sending a single item out, 3. customer had a problem with jumper said he contacted me but he had been emailing me at .co.uk and my contact email was .com once he finally sent me a msg on ebay itself i refunded him in full without even asking for the jumper to be returned, Now if you find that unfair then iam guilty but i do not! and once again iam sorry but you complain about me sending a post about a sale ( yet this is a market place ) again iam sorry for my original post it wasnt intended to p*ss anyone off i didnt realise i had to post several posts before i could list a market place ad? so iam sorry for this.